The Conversation -- March 24, 2025
⭐Jeffrey Goldberg of the Atlantic: "The world found out shortly before 2 p.m. eastern time on March 15 that the United States was bombing Houthi targets across Yemen. I, however, knew two hours before the first bombs exploded that the attack might be coming. The reason I knew this is that Pete Hegseth, the secretary of defense, had texted me the war plan at 11:44 a.m. The plan included precise information about weapons packages, targets, and timing." Michael Waltz, the national security advisor, read in Goldberg on a Signals chat group that included JD Vance, Hegseth, Marco Rubio, Tulsi Gabbard, John Ratcliffe, Stephen Miller, Waltz, and other top officials who sometimes stood in for them. Goldberg remained in the chat group for about four days, until after the bombing of the Houthi strongholds began. He had access to all of the communications among the group, including a dissent from JayDee, who explained why "I think we are making a mistake." Goldberg doesn't reveal all of Hegseth's chat messages ... because some of ...
"The information contained in them, if they had been read by an adversary of the United States, could conceivably have been used to harm American military and intelligence personnel, particularly in the broader Middle East, Central Command's area of responsibility. What I will say, in order to illustrate the shocking recklessness of this Signal conversation, is that the Hegseth post contained operational details of forthcoming strikes on Yemen, including information about targets, weapons the U.S. would be deploying, and attack sequencing.... The Signal chat group, I concluded, was almost certainly real.... I have never seen a breach quite like this.... Conceivably, Waltz, by coordinating a national-security-related action over Signal, may have violated several provisions of the Espionage Act.... The Signal app is not approved by the government for sharing classified information." Thank you for RAS for this gift link.
~~~ Marie: This is one of the most extraordinary stories I have ever read. Unless you're a person accustomed to listening in on top-secret chats among top U.S. officials, I urge you to read it. RAS wonders "how much information they have just given away because they are stupid and unprofessional." Waltz's level of incompetence in reading in a journalist is staggering. (And nobody else in the group seemed to notice Goldberg [identified on the chat as "JG"] was reading right along with them all.) As explosive as the Pentagon Papers were, they were after-the-fact analyses. Here, Hegseth & Waltz, et al., were sharing U.S. war plans with a journalist before the fact. Of course Congress should look into what went wrong, but it won't, especially because Waltz was a member of Congress until two months ago.
Irony Just Bit Trump in His Big Fat Rear End. Adam Liptak of the New York Times: "The 1952 law under which the Trump administration seeks to deport Mahmoud Khalil, a lawful permanent resident who helped organize protests at Columbia University, is largely untested. Largely, but not entirely. It was ruled unconstitutional in 1996 -- by ... [Donald] Trump's sister.... When Judge [Maryanne Trump] Barry considered the 1952 law, which the Trump administration has said will play a major role in its deportation plans, she asked whether it could be squared with the Constitution. 'The answer,' she wrote, 'is a ringing "no."'... An appeals court later reversed her decision, though on grounds unrelated to its substance. But it remains the most thorough judicial examination of the constitutionality of the law, and other judges may find its reasoning persuasive.... 'I will never forget the many times people would come up to me and say, "Your sister was the smartest person on the Court,"' [Donald Trump] posted on social media when she died in 2023. 'I was always honored by that, but understood exactly what they meant.''... She was a great Judge, and a great sister.'" ~~~
~~~ Marie: Barry did not hold a high opinion of her brother Donald. CBS News (August 2020): "In secretly recorded audio, Maryanne Trump Barry, the eldest sister of ... [Donald] Trump, criticized her brother for his lack of principles, his lying and said, 'you can't trust him.' The audio, first reported by the Washington Post and obtained in part by CBS News was recorded between 2018 and 2019 by Mr. Trump's niece, Mary Trump, who recently published a tell-all book about the president."
Alan Feuer of the New York Times: "A federal judge on Monday kept in place his ruling barring the Trump administration from using a powerful wartime statute to summarily deport a group of Venezuelan immigrants whom officials have accused of being members of a violent street gang. In a 37-page order, the judge, James E. Boasberg, said the order should remain in place so that the Venezuelan immigrants could have the opportunity to challenge accusations that they belong to the gang, Tren de Aragua, before the Trump administration can fly them out of the country under the wartime law known as the Alien Enemies Act. The Alien Enemies Act, Judge Boasberg wrote, 'arguably envisions that those caught up in its web must be given the opportunity to seek such review.'... In his order, Judge Boasberg said that he was not yet issuing a ruling on the 'complicated legal issues' of whether Tren de Aragua should be defined as a hostile nation or whether the phenomenon of immigrants crossing the border could be construed as an invasion.... While Mr. Trump and his allies have accused Judge Boasberg of overstepping his authority by intruding on the president's prerogative to conduct foreign affairs, the question at the heart of the case is whether Mr. Trump himself overstepped by ignoring several provisions laid out in the text of the act for how the deportations should be handled." ~~~
~~~ The order, linked in the story, is via the court, so not behind a NYT firewall.
Justin Jouvenal of the Washington Post: The Trump administration is asking the Supreme Court to allow the firings of thousands of probationary workers as the president seeks to greatly shrink the size of the federal government. A federal judge in Northern California ordered the administration to rehire about 16,000 workers at a half-dozen agencies ... after finding Trump officials had not followed proper procedures in terminating their employment. In an emergency appeal, the administration on Monday asked the high court to block that ruling in a lawsuit brought by unions."
Jason Zinoman of the New York Times: Conan O'Brien's "has always steered clear of ideological fervor. But moving out of his comfort zone [in his acceptance of the Mark Twain Prize for Humor Sunday night], O'Brien delivered what amounted to a bristling attack on the current administration artfully disguised as a tribute to Mark Twain.... Twain's enduring power, he argued, stemmed from his core principles, which shaped his comedy. 'First and foremost, Twain hated bullies,' he said, saying he populated his works with them, and made his readers hate them. Twain was allergic to hypocrisy and loathed racism, empathizing with former enslaved people struggling during Reconstruction, immigrant Chinese laborers in California and European Jews fleeing antisemitism." More on the award ceremony linked below.
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This Was Yesterday: ~~~
The visit from the United States cannot be seen in isolation from the public statements that have been made. -- Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen ~~~
~~~ U.S. Imperialists Invade Greenland, Bring Child. Maggie Haberman & Maya Tekeli of the New York Times: "Usha Vance, the second lady, is scheduled to join the White House national security adviser, the energy secretary and other U.S. officials to visit Greenland this week, amid ... [Donald] Trump's continued push to take over the island, officials said on Sunday. In a statement, the Trump administration said Ms. Vance will visit Greenland with one of her children on Thursday, to visit historical sites and attend a national dog sled race.... Separately, Michael Waltz, the national security adviser, is expected to tour a U.S. military base, two U.S. officials said. Chris Wright, the energy secretary, is expected to join him, according to another person with knowledge of the visit, as the Trump administration increases its focus on Arctic security and the Western Hemisphere.... Mr. Trump has continued to ratchet up his talk of seizing Greenland...." (Also linked yesterday.) ~~~
~~~ This Is Today: ~~~
~~~ They Are Not Amused. From a New York Times liveblog: "Relations between Greenland and the United States sank further on Sunday as the Greenlandic prime minister erupted over what he called a 'highly aggressive' delegation of senior officials the Trump administration said it would send to the island this week.... The prime minister, Mute B. Egede, said on Sunday that Greenlanders' effort to be diplomatic just 'bounces off Donald Trump and his administration in their mission to own and control Greenland.' He made the remarks, his angriest yet, to a Greenlandic newspaper on Sunday, and a high-ranking member of his party confirmed them. The prime minister seemed especially upset with Mr. Waltz's involvement. 'What is the national security adviser doing in Greenland?' he asked. 'The only purpose is to demonstrate power over us.... His mere presence in Greenland will no doubt fuel American belief in Trump's mission -- and the pressure will increase.'... Other Greenlandic officials complained about the inopportune timing of the visit, pointing out that Greenland had just held parliamentary elections and that a new government has not even been formed. 'The fact that the Americans are well aware we are in the middle of negotiations,' said Jens-Frederik Nielsen, the leader of the most popular political party, 'once again shows a lack of respect for the Greenlandic people.'" A Guardian story is here. More on Greenland linked below. ~~~
~~~ Woman Without a Country? In today's Comments, Akhilleus suggests ways for Greenland officials to keep Usha and the Invaders out of Greenland. But near the end of yesterday's thread, RAS wasn't sure Usha -- what with her darkish complexion and her passport name not matching her birth-certificate name -- could get back into the U.S.
Donald the Vain. Lauren Irwin of the Hill: Donald "Trump is demanding that Colorado take down it's 'purposefully distorted' painting of him hanging in the State Capitol. 'Nobody likes a bad picture or painting of themselves, but the one in Colorado, in the State Capitol put up by the Governor, along with all other Presidents, was purposefully distorted to a level that even I, perhaps, have never seen before,' Trump said in a post Sunday on Truth Social. 'The artist also did President Obama, and he looks wonderful, but the one [of] me is truly the worst. She must have lost her talent as she got older.... 'I am speaking on [Colorodans'] behalf to the Radical Left Governor, Jared Polis, who is extremely weak on Crime, in particular with respect to Tren de Aragua, which practically took over Aurora (Don't worry, we saved it!), to take it down,' Trump said. 'Jared should be ashamed of himself.'" MB: I'll admit that the portrait does not look much like Donald, especially as he appears in his menacing official photo, shown on the left. A police sketch artist might do better.
Easter Will Be Brought to You by.... Minho Kim of the New York Times: "The White House wants to recruit corporate sponsors to contribute to its Easter Egg Roll next month raising ethical and legal concerns that President Trump is allowing companies to profit from the 147-year-old tradition by turning it into a showcase for their brands. The financial backers of the April 21 event would be able to choose from three options that cost between $75,000 and $200,000, according to a nine-page guide for potential sponsors that was reviewed by The New York Times. The most expensive package includes a corporate booth, logo placements, branded snacks or beverages, exclusive tickets to brunch with the first lady, Melania Trump, a chance to engage with the White House Press Corps, a private White House tour and 150 tickets to the event." ~~~
Chris Hayes gives us the best overview of Elon's Excellent Pentagon Field Trip (BTW, why didn't he bring any children?). Even your MAGA cousin could understand and enjoy this:
~~~ Borowitz Report: "Disaster struck the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) on Monday after Elon Musk and his team of teenage aides became trapped inside a self-locking Cybertruck.... Witnesses said that Musk's desperate pounding on the interior of the Cybertruck failed to free him but did send several pieces of metal trim flying off its exterior."
And speaking of All Things Elon, this one might be too complex for your MAGA cousin, but in yesterday's Comments, RAS got to the heart of the DOGE hoax: ~~~
~~~ Jacob Bogage of the Washington Post: "Senior tax officials are bracing for a sharp drop in revenue collected this spring, as an increasing number of individuals and businesses spurn filing their taxes or attempt to skip paying balances owed to the Internal Revenue Service.... Treasury Department and IRS officials are predicting a decrease of more than 10 percent in tax receipts by the April 15 deadline compared with 2024, said the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to share nonpublic data. That would amount to more than $500 billion in lost federal revenue; the IRS collected $5.1 trillion last year. For context, the U.S. government spent $825 billion on the Defense Department in fiscal 2024.... The prediction, officials say, is directly tied to changing taxpayer behavior and ... Donald Trump's rapid demolition of parts of the IRS." (Also linked yesterday.) ~~~
~~~ Josh Marshall of TPM was gobsmacked. RAS notes that he wrote on Bluesky: "So look at that. DOGE has cost the US Treasury fucking half a trillion dollars. HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS. This is your cost savings." (Also linked yesterday.)~~~
~~~ Marie: The name "DOGE" -- Department of Government Efficiency -- was always a joke. Musk let it be known the joke was some kind of insider meme based on a Shiba Inu cryptocurrency thing. Ha ha. But the real joke was always on us taxpayers and citizens: the name DOGE is no more about increasing government efficiency than the deadly "Peacemaker" and "Sea Swallow" missiles are gentle lovely white doves and elegant terns. The name DOGE is a cover for the real purpose of the program, and that real purpose is to gut and discredit the federal government and the staff who work for us. If you want to know why Musk is smiling all the time his Tesla stock is tanking, it's because he (a) Trump will give him his money back in government contracts, and (b) he's pulling a fast one on millions and millions of the rubes like those of us whose intelligence H.L. Mencken doubted. That's the real "insider joke," and Musk isn't copping to it. ~~~
~~~ Washington Post Editors: "... the [Pentagon briefing] episode was a reminder of Musk's many other conflicts of interest and the lack of transparency that clouds his wide-ranging work as a special government employee overseeing the U.S. DOGE Service. The editorial points to just a few of Musk's conflicts and how the Trump administration has failed to address them or provide any level of transparency on how, if at all, he is constrained.
A Deportation in Search of an Excuse. Jonah Bromwich of the New York Times: "Last week, the government quietly added new accusations to its case against [former Columbia student Mahmoud] Khalil, saying that he had willfully failed to disclose his membership in several organizations, including a United Nations agency that helps Palestinian refugees, when he applied to become a permanent U.S. resident last March. It said he also failed to disclose work he did for the British government after 2022. The Trump administration appears to be using the new allegations in part to sidestep the First Amendment issues raised by Mr. Khalil's case.... 'The new deportation grounds are patently weak and pretextual,' said one of Mr. Khalil's lawyers, Ramzi Kassem, a co-director of CLEAR, a legal clinic at the City University of New York. 'That the government scrambled to add them at the 11th hour only highlights how its motivation from the start was to retaliate against Mr. Khalil for his protected speech in support of Palestinian rights and lives.'"
Brittany Gibson of Axios: "... conditions in the system's detention facilities are deteriorating.... Days without a shower. Sleeping on floors. Two hundred people confined in a space meant for 85. Some immigration detention units are so crowded that non-citizens arrested in President Trump's crackdown are living in inhumane conditions, attorneys for detainees tell Axios.... The Trump administration's goal of deporting 'millions' of people has led officials to jam more than 46,000 detainees into a system designed to hold no more than about 40,000, according to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) records.... 'A lot of people are just signing orders to be removed, because the conditions are so horrible,' [Paul Chavez of Americans for Immigrant Justice] said."
Marie: Here's an indicator of our rapid descent from a quasi-democracy to an authoritarian backwater: the Washington Post has put on its online front page a story on what your rights are when you try to enter the U.S. and how to protect theose rights against border officials.
Twain was suspicious of populism, jingoism, imperialism, the money-obsessed mania of the Gilded Age and any expression of mindless American might or self-importance.... He loved America but knew it was deeply flawed. -- Conan O'Brien, Mark Twain Prize acceptance speech ~~~
~~~ Julia Jacobs of the New York Times: "In honoring Conan O'Brien at the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts on Sunday, a lineup of big-name comedians made the veteran late-night host and comedy fixture the main focus of roasting -- but ... [Donald] Trump and his recent takeover of the Washington arts center quickly became the second-favorite target of the night. John Mulaney joked that the Kennedy Center would soon be renamed 'The Roy Cohn Pavilion for Big Strong Men Who Love "Cats."'... When David Letterman took the stage late in the show to give Mr. O'Brien the Mark Twain Prize for American Humor, his nod to the upheaval in Washington was more solemn. 'In history for all time,' he said,'this will have been the most entertaining gathering of the resistance, ever.'... No other ceremony came at a time of such upheaval at the institution. The event was the first major award program at the Kennedy Center since [Mr.] Trump purged the institution's historically bipartisan board, ousted its top leaders and installed himself as chairman." Here's the Washington Post's story.
Dana Hedgpeth of the Washington Post: "As one of the two last living Navajo code talkers who sent indecipherable messages that helped the United States win World War II, [Peter MacDonald Sr., 96,] had been upset when the Defense Department removed webpages earlier this week highlighting his efforts and those of other minority service members. The purge came as part of the Trump administration's orders to end federal programs of 'diversity, equity and inclusion' and clear government websites of material related to those terms. But after three days of public outcry and lobbying from the Navajo Nation president and the tribal council to the White House and the Pentagon, the Defense Department on Thursday evening abruptly reversed itself."
Sahil Kapur of NBC News: "A defiant Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer vowed that he won't step aside as the chamber's top Democrat, rejecting calls from some House colleagues and liberal advocates critical of his move to help pass a Republican funding bill.... Schumer also rejected comparisons to then-President Joe Biden's refusal to step down as the 2024 nominee, in response to a question about whether he's making the same mistake." (Also linked yesterday.) ~~~
~~~ Update. A New York Times story is here. ~~~
~~~ Paul Krugman: "Right now the central front in [Trump's] assault on the working class is Social Security, which Elon Musk, unable to admit error, keeps insisting is riddled with fraud. The DOGE-bullied Social Security Administration has already announced that those applying for benefits or trying to change where their benefits are deposited will need to verify their identity either online or in person -- a huge, sometimes impossible burden on the elderly, often disabled Americans who need those benefits most. And with staff cuts and massive DOGE disruption, it seems increasingly likely that some benefits just won't arrive as scheduled. Oh, and Leland Dudek, the acting Social Security administrator, threatened to shut the whole thing down unless DOGE was given access to personal data. Not to worry, says Howard Lutnick, Trump's Commerce secretary. Only 'fraudsters' would complain about missing a Social Security check[.]... [But] to get voters to notice ... almost certainly requires new leadership, if only to help persuade voters that the party isn't run by tired careerists. The problem with someone like Chuck Schumer ... [is] that he's a 74-year-old ... whose instinct is to try to deftly navigate his way through a political landscape that demands not careful calculation but vocal, visible outrage, both to motivate the Democratic base and to get other voters' attention."
Jennifer Rubin of the Contrarian: "Faced with [an] assault on the 1st, 5th, and 6th Amendments, [the law firm] Paul Weiss chose not to litigate as another targeted law firm, Perkins & Coie had, but to submit itself to the micromanagement of the federal government, a move so craven and fraught with conflict that every client, associate, partner, and employee will need to reevaluate its relationship with the mega-firm.... In a statement attempting to rationalize the firm's decision, Chairman Brad Karp insisted that 'the Administration is not dictating what matters we take on, approving our matters, or anything like that.' But the plain language of the 'agreement' says otherwise.... Paul Weiss's capitulation is one more example contributing to a deeply alarming pattern of cowardice from corporate media, universities, Republican toadies, and some misguided Democrats. Too many people and institutions with ample power and resources to defend themselves nevertheless have refused to stand up to MAGA intimidation. Instead, they have betrayed fundamental values that are the cornerstone of our democracy."
Robert McFadden of the New York Times: "Max Frankel, who fled Nazi Germany as a boy and rose to pinnacles of American journalism as a Pulitzer Prize-winning correspondent for The New York Times and later as its executive editor during eight years of changing fortunes and technology, died on Sunday at his home in Manhattan. He was 94." (Also linked yesterday.) ~~~
~~~ Marie: Unfortunately, this is what I remember Frankel for: "Mr. Frankel was widely criticized in 1991 when The Times profiled Patricia Bowman, who had accused William Kennedy Smith, a nephew of Senator Edward M. Kennedy, of raping her in Palm Beach, Fla. As well as detailing her background, the article named her, called her an aggressive driver, said she had borne a child out of wedlock and quoted a woman anonymously as saying Ms. Bowan 'had a little wild streak.' Readers and even staff members accused the paper of sexism." The female reporters at the Times went ballistic; there was an angry meeting. Frankel still didn't get it. In fairness, there was much more to him than this one incident, and he hired quite a number of women into positions previously reserved for men.
Yan Zhuang of the New York Times: "Mia Love, the first Black Republican woman elected to Congress, who served from 2015 to 2019, died on Sunday at her home in Utah. She was 49. Her family confirmed the death in a post on one of Ms. Love's social media pages. She had been diagnosed in 2022 with a glioblastoma, an aggressive type of brain tumor."
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Trump is hurting the U.S. economy in so many ways. Here's one of them: ~~~
Ellen Francis, et al., of the Washington Post: "As ... Donald Trump upends U.S. foreign policy, negotiating closer relations with Russia, threatening NATO allies and pausing cooperation with Ukraine, Washington's traditional partners -- and best customers -- are rethinking their dependence on American weapons systems. From Canada to Europe, calls are growing to steer future defense spending away from U.S. equipment and toward their own industries, even as many concede there's no quick fix after decades of dependence. The U.S. pause of intelligence-sharing with Ukraine this month, and Trump's threats to annex Canada and Greenland, have laid bare the risks of counting on the United States -- and raised concerns about whether Washington could ground jets or turn off launchers remotely as a pressure tactic. Even if such a 'kill switch' is a myth, officials and analysts say, advanced U.S. systems such as fighter jets are so reliant on U.S. spare parts, software updates or data sharing that cutting access could effectively render some unusable. Nearly two-thirds of European arms imports in recent years came from the U.S."
Canada. Mickey Djuric of Politico: "Prime Minister Mark Carney called a snap election on Sunday, saying he needs a mandate from Canadians to take on ... Donald Trump. The federal campaign kicks off days ahead of a new slate of Trump tariffs, and at a time when Canadians are increasingly worried the president will make good on his threats of economic and cultural takeover.... Voters will go to the polls on April 28 with a clear ballot box question: Who is best to handle Trump?" The New York Times story is here.
Greenland. William Booth & Laris Karklis of the Washington Post: "Trump is pushing Denmark to bolster its defenses in Greenland, as U.S. military assets on the island have degraded and the Russians are refurbishing their own Arctic ports.... Greenland once hosted dozens of U.S. military bases, outposts and depots. Today, there is just one. Pituffik Space Base, formerly Thule Air Base, operates a global network of early-warning radars, satellites and sensors to detect incoming intercontinental ballistic missiles. A U.S. force that once numbered 10,000 troops is now down to about 200.... Danish officials concede that they've been slow to replace assets to defend Greenland.... Now the Danes, too, are concerned.... Whether or not Trump deserves the credit, the Danes have announced a new defense spending package, large for such a small country.... They have committed $2 billion. With other spending, Denmark's NATO contribution is now more than 3 percent of GDP, one of the highest in Europe."
South Korea. Choe Sang-Hun of the New York Times: "Prime Minister Han Duck-soo of South Korea was restored to office as acting president on Monday, after the country's Constitutional Court overturned his impeachment by the National Assembly. But the ruling did little to herald any political stability in the country, which has lurched from crisis to crisis. Mr. Han briefly served as South Korea's acting president after the Assembly impeached President Yoon Suk Yeol on Dec. 14, suspending Mr. Yoon from office in connection with his failed attempt to place the country under martial law. Mr. Han had been in the role for less than two weeks when the Assembly impeached him as well, adding to the turmoil engulfing South Korea, a key Asian ally of the United States. The Constitutional Court has yet to announce when it will rule on whether to oust or reinstall Mr. Yoon -- a far more consequential decision that South Koreans have been awaiting for weeks with growing anxiety."
Venezuela. Annie Correal & Shawn McCreesh of the New York Times: "The Trump administration sent a flight carrying deportees from the United States to Venezuela on Sunday, the first such flight since the Venezuelan government reached an agreement with the Trump administration on Saturday to resume accepting them.... After briefly agreeing to accept flights after Mr. Trump took office, [President Nicolás] Maduro ceased doing so weeks ago, after the Trump administration revoked a Biden-era policy that had allowed more oil to be produced in Venezuela and exported. Mr. Maduro then came under intense pressure from the Trump administration. Secretary of State Marco Rubio said on social media that Venezuela would face new, 'severe and escalating' sanctions if it refused to accept its repatriated citizens. This weekend, it announced it would take flights again beginning on Sunday. The Venezuelan government's willingness to resume accepting the flights also appeared related to the plight of Venezuelan migrants the Trump administration recently sent to a notorious prison in El Salvador with little to no due process."