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Thursday, July 3, 2025

CNBC: “Job growth proved better than expected in June, as the labor market showed surprising resilience and likely taking a July interest rate cut off the table. Nonfarm payrolls increased a seasonally adjusted 147,000 for the month, higher than the estimate for 110,000 and just above the upwardly revised 144,000 in May, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported Thursday. April’s tally also saw a small upward revision, now at 158,000 following an 11,000 increase.... Though the jobless rates fell [to 4.1%], it was due largely to a decrease in those working or looking for jobs.”

Washington Post: “A warehouse storing fireworks in Northern California exploded on Tuesday, leaving seven people missing and two injured as explosions continued into Wednesday evening, officials said. Dramatic video footage captured by KCRA 3 News, a Sacramento broadcaster, showed smoke pouring from the building’s roof before a massive explosion created a fireball that seemed to engulf much of the warehouse, accompanied by an echoing boom. Hundreds of fireworks appeared to be going off and were sparkling within the smoke. Photos of the aftermath showed multiple destroyed buildings and a large area covered in gray ash.” ~~~

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Wednesday, July 2, 2025

New York Times: “The Rev. Jimmy Swaggart, who emerged from the backwoods of Louisiana to become a television evangelist with global reach, preaching about an eternal struggle between good and evil and warning of the temptations of the flesh, a theme that played out in his own life in a sex scandal, died on July 1. He was 90.” ~~~

     ~~~ For another sort of obituary, see Akhilleus' commentary near the end of yesterday's thread.

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INAUGURATION 2029

Commencement ceremonies are joyous occasions, and Steve Carell made sure that was true this past weekend (mid-June) at Northwestern's commencement:

~~~ Carell's entire commencement speech was hilarious. The audio and video here isn't great, but I laughed till I cried.

CNN did a live telecast Saturday night (June 7) of the Broadway play "Good Night, and Good Luck," written by George Clooney and Grant Heslov, about legendary newsman Edward R. Murrow's effort to hold to account Sen. Joe McCarthy, "the junior senator from Wisconsin." Clooney plays Murrow. Here's Murrow himself with his famous take on McCarthy & McCarthyism, brief remarks that especially resonate today: ~~~

     ~~~ This article lists ways you still can watch the play. 

New York Times: “The New York Times Company has agreed to license its editorial content to Amazon for use in the tech giant’s artificial intelligence platforms, the company said on Thursday. The multiyear agreement 'will bring Times editorial content to a variety of Amazon customer experiences,' the news organization said in a statement. Besides news articles, the agreement encompasses material from NYT Cooking, The Times’s food and recipe site, and The Athletic, which focuses on sports. This is The Times’s first licensing arrangement with a focus on generative A.I. technology. In 2023, The Times sued OpenAI and its partner, Microsoft, for copyright infringement, accusing the tech companies of using millions of articles published by The Times to train automated chatbots without any kind of compensation. OpenAI and Microsoft have rejected those accusations.” ~~~

     ~~~ Marie: I have no idea what this means for "the Amazon customer experience." Does it mean that if I don't have a NYT subscription but do have Amazon Prime I can read NYT content? And where, exactly, would I find that content? I don't know. I don't know.

Washington Post reporters asked three AI image generators what a beautiful woman looks like. "The Post found that they steer users toward a startlingly narrow vision of attractiveness. Prompted to show a 'beautiful woman,' all three tools generated thin women, without exception.... Her body looks like Barbie — slim hips, impossible waist, round breasts.... Just 2 percent of the images showed visible signs of aging. More than a third of the images had medium skin tones. But only nine percent had dark skin tones. Asked to show 'normal women,' the tools produced images that remained overwhelmingly thin.... However bias originates, The Post’s analysis found that popular image tools struggle to render realistic images of women outside the Western ideal." ~~~

     ~~~ Marie: The reporters seem to think they are calling out the AI programs for being unrealistic. But there's a lot about the "beautiful women" images they miss. I find these omissions remarkably sexist. For one thing, the reporters seem to think AI is a magical "thing" that self-generates. It isn't. It's programmed. It's programmed by boys, many of them incels who have little or no experience or insights beyond comic books and Internet porn of how to gauge female "beauty." As a result, the AI-generated women look like cartoons; that is, a lot like an air-brushed photo of Kristi Noem: globs of every kind of dark eye makeup, Scandinavian nose, Botox lips, slathered-on skin concealer/toner/etc. makeup, long dark hair and the aforementioned impossible Barbie body shape, including huge, round plastic breasts. 

New York Times: “George Clooney’s Broadway debut, 'Good Night, and Good Luck,' has been one of the sensations of the 2024-25 theater season, breaking box office records and drawing packed houses of audiences eager to see the popular movie star in a timely drama about the importance of an independent press. Now the play will become much more widely available: CNN is planning a live broadcast of the penultimate performance, on June 7 at 7 p.m. Eastern. The performance will be preceded and followed by coverage of, and discussion about, the show and the state of journalism.”

No free man shall be seized or imprisoned, or stripped of his rights or possessions, or outlawed or exiled, or deprived of his standing in any other way, nor will we proceed with force against him, or send others to do so, except by the lawful judgment of his equals or by the law of the land. -- Magna Carta ~~~

~~~ New York Times: “Bought for $27.50 after World War II, the faint, water stained manuscript in the library of Harvard Law School had attracted relatively little attention since it arrived there in 1946. That is about to change. Two British academics, one of whom happened on the manuscript by chance, have discovered that it is an original 1300 version — not a copy, as long thought — of Magna Carta, the medieval document that helped establish some of the world’s most cherished liberties. It is one of just seven such documents from that date still in existence.... A 710-year-old version of Magna Carta was sold in 2007 for $21.3 million.... First issued in 1215, it put into writing a set of concessions won by rebellious barons from a recalcitrant King John of England — or Bad King John, as he became known in folklore. He later revoked the charter, but his son, Henry III, issued amended versions, the last one in 1225, and Henry’s son, Edward I, in turn confirmed the 1225 version in 1297 and again in 1300.”

NPR lists all of the 2025 Pulitzer Prize winners. Poynter lists the prizes awarded in journalism as well as the finalists in these categories.

 

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The Commentariat -- December 10, 2017

** John Hudson of BuzzFeed: "The Trump administration has rejected a sweeping Russian proposal seeking a mutual ban on foreign political interference, three senior US administration officials tell BuzzFeed News. Russia first broached the subject in July, when one of Vladimir Putin's top diplomats arrived in Washington with a sheet of proposals aimed at addressing a top concern of the US government: A resurgence of Russian meddling in the 2018 elections.... Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov ... [proposed] a sweeping noninterference agreement between Moscow and Washington that would prohibit both governments from meddling in the other's domestic politics. After examining the proposal, which has not previously been reported, US officials told Moscow there would be no deal.... When asked if the president weighed in on the proposal, a spokesman for the National Security Council said only that the White House and State Department 'coordinated closely on the United States' response.'" ...

     ... Mrs. Bea McCrabbie: While it's reasonable to be skeptical that Russia would honor an agreement, I'd guess is the real motivation for rejecting an accord is that Trump. et al., of miscreants welcome Russian interference, just as they did in 2016.

Maggie Haberman, et al., of the New York Times: "Despite all his bluster, [Donald Trump] views himself less as a titan dominating the world stage than a maligned outsider engaged in a struggle to be taken seriously, according to interviews with 60 advisers, associates, friends and members of Congress.... For Mr. Trump, every day is an hour-by-hour battle for self-preservation.... Before taking office, Mr. Trump told top aides to think of each presidential day as an episode in a television show in which he vanquishes rivals. People close to him estimate that Mr. Trump spends at least four hours a day, and sometimes as much as twice that, in front of a television, sometimes with the volume muted, marinating in the no-holds-barred wars of cable news and eager to fire back.... To an extent that would stun outsiders, Mr. Trump, the most talked-about human on the planet, is still delighted when he sees his name in the headlines.... [An advisor said] Mr. Trump expected being president would be ... ruling by fiat, exacting tribute and cutting back room deals.... Advisers said they saw a novice who was gradually learning that the presidency does not work that way." ...

... Mrs. Bea McCrabbie: Even if Trump were a more normal human being, he wouldn't have time to be president. When he isn't watching the teevee eight hours a day or playing golf nearly every weekend, he's tuned in to Twitter. ...

... Emily Yahr of the Washington Post: "President Trump on Saturday evening issued a call for a reporter with The Washington Post to be fired because of a quickly deleted tweet that presented a misleading impression of Trump's rally crowd in Florida. The Post reporter, David Weigel, had earlier tweeted a photo of the crowd gathered at Pensacola Bay Center for Trump's speech there Friday evening, showing numerous empty seats. He removed the tweet after being told by others that the photo was taken before the venue filled up and apologized in a later Twitter exchange with the president. Trump's public response: '.@daveweigel of the Washington Post just admitted that his picture was a FAKE (fraud?) showing an almost empty arena last night for my speech in Pensacola when, in fact, he knew the arena was packed (as shown also on T.V.). FAKE NEWS, he should be fired.'" ...

     ... Mrs. McCrabbie: Lets' bear in mind this is the same Donald Trump who tweets out somewhere around a lie a day and never apologizes. Reporters, like all of us, especially in the Twitter era, are going to make mistakes. Since Trump constantly denigrates President Obama & regularly compares himself favorably to Obama, we probably should ask ourselves in many situations, What Would Obama Do? WWOD? It's pretty damned clear that Obama would not make any public response to an inaccurate tweet, tho since this tweet came from a WashPo reporter, he might reasonably ask an aide to privately correct Weigel. I don't think even Nixon was as petty, cruel & vindictive as the Sick Joke who lives in the White House now.

Josh Dawsey & Ashley Cusick of the Washington Post: "President Trump spent about 30 minutes inside Mississippi's glimmering civil rights museum Saturday, strolling through exhibits honoring jailed and assassinated leaders before delivering a brief speech at a private ceremony. The president's visit to commemorate the opening -- the capstone of Mississippi's bicentennial celebration -- brought protests and boycotts, and evoked raw emotions in the center of the Deep South, the core of the generations-long civil rights movement. Trump delivered his speech to a largely white audience, and his motorcade left before the main opening ceremony -- for which hordes of people had gathered in freezing temperatures and a rare snowfall. Tickets had been sold out for months."

AP: "Former President Barack Obama says Americans must be vigilant in their defense of democracy or risk following the path of Nazi Germany in the 1930s.... During [a] speech Tuesday, Obama pointed to Hitler's rise to power in Germany as he implored the audience to 'pay attention ... and vote.' Obama also defended the media. He said the press 'often drove me nuts' but that he understood that a free press was vital to democracy."

Juliet Eilperin of the Washington Post: "A uranium company launched a concerted lobbying campaign to scale back Bears Ears National Monument, saying such action would give it easier access to the area's uranium deposits and help it operate a nearby processing mill, according to documents obtained by The Washington Post. Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke and top Utah Republicans have said repeatedly that questions of mining or drilling played no role in President Trump's announcement Monday that he was cutting the site by more than 1.1 million acres, or 85 percent. Trump also signed a proclamation nearly halving the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument, which is also in southern Utah and has significant coal deposits.... More than 500 uranium mines have been left near or on [Navajo Nation] lands, and most of these designated Superfund sites have not been cleaned up. Contamination still affects drinking-water wells, springs and storage tanks." ...

... Julia Manchester of the Hill: "California Gov. Jerry Brown (D) says President Trump's stance on climate change demonstrates that he does not appear to fear the 'wrath of God' or have any regard for the 'existential consequences' of his environmental policies. 'I don't think President Trump has a fear of the Lord, the fear of the wrath of God, which leads one to more humility ... this is such a reckless disregard for the truth and for the existential consequences that can be unleashed,' Brown said in an interview on CBS's '60 Minutes,' which is set to air on Sunday. Brown, who studied to become a Jesuit priest prior to entering politics, has been a vocal critic of the Trump administration."

Sarah Jones of the New Republic: "... the Donald Trump era has been clarifying in so many respects, not least in showing that the Republican Party, in league with the upper classes, is engaged in an all-out class war against the working and middle classes. In every area of policy -- tax, environment, health, energy, even the management of the nation's national parks -- we have seen a sustained disdain for common people and an allegiance to the rich. It is class war, and they're winning.... There will be other bills, other policies; there will be more deaths, just to satisfy the wealthy. All wars have body counts, and class war is the same." Mrs. McC: This is a longish piece & well-worth reading as a reminder of the scope of the GOP's sustained, multi-pronged attack on ordinary Americans. ...

... Damian Paletta of the Washington Post: "The GOP tax plan on the cusp of becoming law diverges wildly from the promises President Trump and top advisers said they would deliver for the middle class -- an evolution that shows how traditional Republican orthodoxy swamped Trump's distinctive brand of economic populism as it moved through Washington. The bill was supposed to deliver benefits predominantly to average working families, not corporations, with a 35 percent tax cut Trump proposed on the campaign trail as part of the 'Middle Class Tax Relief and Simplification Act.' 'The largest tax reductions are for the middle class, who have been forgotten,' Trump said in Gettysburg, Pa., on Oct. 22, 2016... [But] Trump and his top advisers have continuously prioritized corporate cuts -- even though they have promised that middle-class cuts would be their focus.... The final product is ... the result of a partisan policymaking process that largely took place behind closed doors, faced intense pressure from corporate lobbyists and ultimately fell in line with GOP wish lists.... The tax plan ... amounts to a massive corporate tax cut, with uneven -- and temporary -- benefits for the middle class that could end up increasing taxes for many working families in future years."

** The Enemy Within. Dana Milbank: "This year some of us marked Pearl Harbor Day by attacking America from within. For five hours on Thursday, President Trump's partisans delivered a reckless and sustained attack on the FBI and the special counsel. They amplified Trump's claim that the FBI's 'reputation is in Tatters -- worst in History' and that Robert S. Mueller III's Russia probe, which has already secured guilty pleas from two Trump campaign officials and the indictments of two more, is part of a system that is 'rigged,' 'phony,' 'dishonest' and using a 'double standard.'... Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee launched an all-out assault on the special counsel and the FBI -- choosing to protect Trump at the cost of Americans' faith in the justice system and the rule of law." See also Jonathan Chait's commentary, linked yesterday.

Senate Race

A digital billboard on the side of a truck, across the street from Trump's rally tonight in Pensacola, FL pic.twitter.com/6BaDOAf90o

---Henry J. Gomez (@HenryJGomez) December 8, 2017

... Kristine Phillips of the Washington Post: "A digital billboard was roaming around Pensacola, Fla., as President Trump held a rally there and urged residents in nearby Alabama to vote for embattled Republican candidate Roy Moore in the Senate race. The billboard, displayed on the side of a moving truck Friday, reminded people of what Ivanka Trump ... had previously said about Moore amid accusations of sexual misconduct involving teenage girls.... The billboard appears to be the work of the liberal group American Bridge.... The group seemed to double down on the trolling by blasting the comments over a loud speaker outside the rally." ...

... Brian Lyman of the Montgomery (Alabama) Advertiser: "In the last few days before the Dec. 12 election for Alabama's junior U.S. Senate seat, the Republican candidate [Roy Moore] has all but vanished from the public, continuing a pattern of absence that took hold after allegations of abuse, assault, harassment and misconduct with nine women surfaced against Moore in early November.... Although Friday's winter weather scrambled both campaigns' plans, Moore's absence from the trail is a notable contrast to Democratic nominee Doug Jones, whose campaign said Saturday he had done 217 public events over two months, and who has done almost daily appearances in the campaign's last weeks." ...

... Alex Isenstadt of Politico: "Donald Trump has agreed to record a robocall for Alabama Republican Roy Moore ahead of next week's special election, the president's most direct involvement in Alabama on behalf of the embattled candidate to date.... Trump's involvement in the race has infuriated senior Republicans, many of whom have withdrawn their support for Moore in light of the accusations against him." ...

... Annals of "Journalism," Ha Ha Ha. Caroline Orr of Shareblue: "Fox News host and Trump cheerleader Laura Ingraham is concerned about the growing number of women who are coming forward to report incidents of sexual assault and harassment.... She's worried that they might ruin office Christmas parties this year. 'Is the #MeToo movement becoming a spoiler for this season's Christmas parties?' Ingraham asked Friday evening during a segment on Fox News' The Ingraham Angle. Speaking with comedian Jimmy Failla, Ingraham said she was worried that women who feel empowered to report sexual misconduct might ruin the holiday season by making office Christmas parties less festive. 'I can see this year it might be -- a little less festive, let's say that. No alcohol and no fun and no lampshades and, I don't know, maybe that's better,' she said. 'Is this just killing all the fun of Christmas?' she wondered absurdly." ...

(If there were a "real Jesus," he would have looked kinda like this. White? Well, darkish white.)     ... Mrs. McCrabbie: What's the fun of finally being able to say "Merry Christmas" again if the boss is afraid to boff the help in the broom closet? "Joy to the world, the Lord has come" -- Ruined! I miss the good old days when Megyn Kelly was a Fox "News" "reporting" that Jesus & Santa Claus were definitely white guys.

Beyond the Beltway

Wesley Lowery of the Washington Post: "After the officer involved was acquitted of second-degree murder charges, officials in Arizona publicly released graphic video showing Daniel Shaver crawling on his hands and knees and begging for his life in the moments before he was shot and killed by police in January 2016. Shaver died in one of at least 963 fatal police shootings in 2016, according to a Washington Post database. And his death was one of an increasing number of such shootings to prompt criminal charges in the years since the 2014 protests in Ferguson, Mo. following the death of Michael Brown. Yet charges remain rare, and convictions even more so. The shooting, by Philip 'Mitch' Brailsford, then an officer with the Mesa Police Department, occurred after officers responded to a call about a man allegedly pointing a rifle out of a fifth-floor window at a La Quinta Inn. Inside the room, Shaver, 26, had been doing rum shots with a woman he had met earlier that day and showing off a pellet gun he used in his job in pest control." (Also linked yesterday afternoon.)

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Poor Pretender.

Doesn't understand why behaving hatefully often causes people to hate you.

Why he thought a bullying persona on a TV show would translate well to public life still escapes me, bu likely it wasn't a persona at all. It was the dummy himself, stupid enough to think that the relatively small number of viewers it takes to make a show popular is the same as the general run of the American electorate.

I suspect that his TV audience and the 25-35 percent who still support him have much in common. Don't know if they are the same people, but I suspect some are but whether they are the same or not they do share an attitude or two.

They like bullies (read: strongmen).....and they don't like to think too much.

On to Bear's Ears.

The NYTimes has been running articles and opinion pieces about this travesty. Some of the comments on yesterday's article and a short section of the one I will link below suggest this land grab will suffer the same fate in the courts as the first few travel bans.

Hope that's true. Couldn't happen to a nicer bully.

A comment from yesterday's article.

"Nicholas Morrell Port Washington, WI
.....the Antiquities Act was a grant of power to the president by Congress. Congress realized that it simply could not act quick enough or often enough to stop places like Mesa Verde or Chaco Canyon from being picked clean by looters. Thus, giving the president the power to act quickly, and the discretion to decide what to set aside. the Courts have upheld large monuments for nearly 100 years, starting with Cameron v US in 1920. Obama picked an acreage with Bears Ears that, rather than being too big, is almost certainly too small. Bears Ears should cover somewhere around 1.9M acres, or about the same size as Grand Staircase. like with Grand Staircase , there is a number of state-owned lands within Bears Ears that is going to be swapped out in a land swap, otherwise the state will be paid for them. The end result, as with Grand staircase, will result in the monument getting bigger, by a significant margin. As Congress oked the boundary expansion, Trump cannot reduce the monument. Separation of powers. Once Congress okays a monument, only it can change the borders."

And today's, also worth a read.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/12/08/opinion/bears-ears-monument.html?

December 9, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterKen Winkes

Ken,
'I suspect that his TV audience and the 25-35 percent who still support him have much in common.' I think the piece in common is hiding from reality. You know, things like reading the newspaper.

December 10, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterMarvin Schwalb

From the NYT, a Peter Wehner has written an opinion piece entitled "WHY I CAN NO LONGER CALL MYSELF AN EVANGELICAL REPUBLICAN."

Well, you can imagine how this caught MY eye. After reading this I scaled down the comment section wondering if anyone came away with the same thoughts––some did in a lukewarm way, some not at all but John F. Mc Bride whom I am familiar with has expressed my thinking on this exactly.

Here's the link to the Wehner piece. I will post McBride's in full in new comment :

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/09/opinion/sunday/wehner-evangelical-republicans.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fopinion&action=click&contentCollection=opinion&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=3&pgtype=sectionfront&_r=0

December 10, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterPD Pepe

John F McBride is a trusted commenter Seattle 11 hours ago

"But Donald Trump and Roy Moore weren't created by atheists and people of the left; they were created by God fearing Christians of the right.

"They're the result of thinking such as yours that can make that observation as if it's separated from Ronald Reagan, whom you hold up as a member of an impressive moral movement. Ronald Reagan who sold nerve gas to Saddam Hussein and turned a blind eye to slaughter of civilians in Central America by military movements he endorsed and financed by trading arms for oil, pretending not to, and allowing others to take blame and punishment for it."

Abridged to comply with copyright laws. -- Mrs. McCrabbie. Wehner, BTW, is a well-known conservative writer who served in the Reagan, Bush I & Bush II administrations.

December 10, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterPD Pepe

P.D.

Funny. Read the same piece last night and had the same reaction to the contortions Wehner had to go through to get to a comfortable spot in his own mixed up head. The same line about atheists and liberals caught my eye, and I thought that like most who occupy the corrupt moral high ground of the anti-abortion crusade, this guy's still fooling himself, in a very (can't resist) fundamental way.

Then I went to bed.

Now you reintroduce me to Seattle's McBride, one of the Times commenters I used to seek out when I wrote Times comments of my own. Don't know the fellow, but wish I did, let me say with a heavy dose of Northwest pride. As you say, he nailed it.

Thanks for sending him our way. Made my Sunday morning.

December 10, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterKen Winkes

P.S. I must add that McBride's last paragraph I could parse in terms of the tenets of Christianity, but I happen to know McBride is an atheist and therefore is speaking of how Christians view their religion.

First snow here in CT.––lovely white covering this morning with the sun shining on this frosty frosting. So since it snowed all day yesterday had the time to watch the Joan Didion documentary (you can stream this) "The Center Cannot Hold." I recommend this highly––captures not only this woman's unusual gifts for story telling but her brilliant political reportage. It ends with Obama presenting her with an award. I cried through most of it.

December 10, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterPD Pepe

The NYT article about a maligned outsider tells it all about the Trump brain. The POTUS who spends no time learning or planning. The WH crew whose job, regardless of title, is to try to control the maniac. The summary is the proof that the Trump brain is seriously ill, made worse but a limited level of intelligence.

December 10, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterMarvin Schwalb

Alex Isenstadt of Politico: "Trump's involvement in the [Alabama] race has infuriated senior Republicans."

Infuriated for exposing their gangrened moral compasses, stuck due south circa 1960, perhaps.

This phrase is a perfect, timely construct of journalistic malpractice, using the integrity of the media to further a narrative of political normality that in evidence no longer exists.

If any senior Republicans ("senior" as in Gross Old Perv, i.e. all of them, or "senior" as in "experienced", i.e. the ones who won't publicly condemn him??) are actually exhibiting outrage, let it be known publicly, rather in private to Mr. Politico writer who'll provide cover for the contemptible cowardice of our representative political boot-lickers.

The only way the GOP would truly denounce and disown Roy Moore and his future manifestations would be, heaven forbid, the tragedy of pedophilic practices befalling close family members of each and every GOP elected representative. Without close, personal experience, these monsters are routinely too craven to even consider the hardships of those less fortunate.

December 10, 2017 | Unregistered Commentersafari

What I hear from Southern Baptist inlaws regarding the likes of
Roy Moore and Donald Trump is that God forgives.
But then they also believe that "queers" will rot in hell.
This logic eludes me. Moore and Trump chose to be the a-holes
that they are. So God forgives them? Give me a break!

December 10, 2017 | Unregistered Commenterforrest morris

God may forgive Moore, but I don't think she'd get in his car.

December 10, 2017 | Unregistered CommenterPatrick
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